japan made/other country made seiko, difference/advantages

[jasonpkt]

Hi all

Like to know more of Seiko watches which printed " made in Japan" and how they are different with those non Japan made . Is it just the label only or they really have some mechanical differences etc. Pls pour in your opinions. Thks.

[Solanum88]

No diff between J and K variants if that is what you are asking, they are all made by similar machines in different locations.

[004]

No difference , except for example SKX007J to SKX007K the dial mentions 21 jewels on the J & the K version doesnt .

[big-e-294]

No difference , except for example SKX007J to SKX007K the dial mentions 21 jewels on the J & the K version doesnt .

So you pay more for less?

007j cost more but has less ink.


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[herzausstahl]

Actually, while I agree that there's no mechanical difference, especially where movements are concerned, I've observed even among current models instances where the QC seems better for made in japan versions.

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[jasonpkt]

Usually Japan made cost more so if they are 90% same will u pay more to get JP set?

[herzausstahl]

Again I don't think made in Japan universally costs more. The sardine is a useful model to illustrate the points about QC and price.



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[Solanum88]

I wont pay the premium for a jap set cause I tend to flip my watches and buyers don't really care if yours is K or J when you are selling

[KKFA]

Just to muddy the waters even more, I have seen mij pieces with different language combos for day of the week. What I have seen are roman/english and arabic/english. Any differemces in these?
Personally I buy what I like. I do feel mij pieces are better made. Perhaps it is just a perception but when it comes to buying items of fancy and not of need ie food, shelter etc, perception is everything is it not?
Cheers.

[ivan]

Unless they tell time differently, they are same to me.

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[herzausstahl]

The made in Japan sardines seem to have aligned chapter rings while the K versions don't. Also, at least in my case, I paid a lot more for the thing sia K version than the parallel import J version. In my case J had perfect alignment and was cheaper (because it is PI).

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[big-e-294]

Just to muddy the waters even more, I have seen mij pieces with different language combos for day of the week. What I have seen are roman/english and arabic/english. Any differemces in these?
Personally I buy what I like. I do feel mij pieces are better made. Perhaps it is just a perception but when it comes to buying items of fancy and not of need ie food, shelter etc, perception is everything is it not?
Cheers.

The different day languages depends on where it is exported to.
In Singapore we are spoilt for choice in the fact that we get to enjoy both.


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[Piano_Guy]

I would prefer the J version

[Ed.YEO]

Parts and components wise... it's all the same. The major difference you get will perhaps falls on the Quality Control and assembly workmanship.
MIJs are favored among the fellow here, because of their workmanship compare to those of Ks. Of course, the price one may sacrifice is the warranty... most of the Js you can find in local market, are parallel imports without warranty or with in-house warranty offered by the seller.

[CoolieND]

The question is why are non-JDM 'Made in Japan' watches not offered by TS, even when such labeling seems to command a premium (for whatever reason)? Instead, most, if not all, seem to feature Arabic / English dials? I believe the same phenomenon is seen in at least America and Europe too.

You have to remember that labeling laws will differ between countries of sale, and labeling something MIJ for one market may not meet the requirements in another market.

Are those (non-JDM) MIJ's being made in a manner which would not allow it to meet the Singaporean / USA / Europe requirements for labeling such watches made in Japan?And if they are, why aren't they being offered directly by the AD, where they could charge slightly more (and more than on the grey market) for such MIJ products, with warranty?


It's all conjecture on my part, but until I can think of another reasonable explanation for the above, I'll continue to believe that the labeling requirements in the countries where these watches are meant to be sold are not as stringent as those for Singapore / USA / Europe.

Take it for what you will...

Oh, and the JDM MIJ's are on a different level altogether... but are they better (read: pricier) because they're made in Japan, or are they made in Japan because they're pricier?

[ivan]

The question is why are non-JDM 'Made in Japan' watches not offered by TS, even when such labeling seems to command a premium (for whatever reason)? Instead, most, if not all, seem to feature Arabic / English dials? I believe the same phenomenon is seen in at least America and Europe too.

You have to remember that labeling laws will differ between countries of sale, and labeling something MIJ for one market may not meet the requirements in another market.

Are those (non-JDM) MIJ's being made in a manner which would not allow it to meet the Singaporean / USA / Europe requirements for labeling such watches made in Japan?And if they are, why aren't they being offered directly by the AD, where they could charge slightly more (and more than on the grey market) for such MIJ products, with warranty?


It's all conjecture on my part, but until I can think of another reasonable explanation for the above, I'll continue to believe that the labeling requirements in the countries where these watches are meant to be sold are not as stringent as those for Singapore / USA / Europe.

Take it for what you will...

Oh, and the JDM MIJ's are on a different level altogether... but are they better (read: pricier) because they're made in Japan, or are they made in Japan because they're pricier?

Bro....
Very long.
Can summarize?
Like MIJ=buy
Or non MIJ= no buy
Something like that....
Ha ha ha

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[CoolieND]

Bro....
Very long.
Can summarize?

TUNA = Die Die Must Buy?

Essentially:
"Made in Japan" label = X% made in Japan
X% = Depends on country
Question: Can X% be 0 in any country (if made by Japanese company)?

[ivan]

Bro....
Very long.
Can summarize?
Like MIJ=buy
Or non MIJ= no buy
Something like that....
Ha ha ha

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TUNA = Die Die Must Buy?

Tuna = now selective buy only.

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[herzausstahl]

It's all conjecture on my part

There you go, summarized

Cooliend I'm just being flippant, can't help noticing your caveat tucked neatly in the centre of the wall

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[CoolieND]

There you go, summarized

Cooliend I'm just being flippant, can't help noticing your caveat tucked neatly in the centre of the wall

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No worries. Course, until someone can answer why TS cannot bring in or sell non-JDM MIJ models... can't think of any better reason.

Care to theorize with me?