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Post by roo7 » 29 Dec 2011 00:42

herzausstahl wrote:
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Haha welcome. You are most welcome to re-use them in any way :D

Btw, I just went to read about the 8500, from my understanding, all you need is to advance the hour hand, the date will jump accordingly right ? So it's more like quick with the hour hand instead of the date wheel ?
yes, correct, a shortcut that is also possible in the rolex 3185/6/7 movement. But doing this means the hour hand spins quite fast over huge angles. Without the gearing to reduce the torque, it strikes me as a quick-set way to damage or wear stuff out also... :oops:
Aah icic. Just like they don't recommend to hand wind an eta movement.

Hmmmmm... Still can be over look. Haha.


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Post by lunarin79 » 29 Dec 2011 01:24

roo7 wrote: Just like they don't recommend to hand wind an eta movement.
:shock:

i din noe this??

best not to handwind a ETA?

not even a 2824?
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Post by oOsiMm » 29 Dec 2011 02:08

lunarin79 wrote:
roo7 wrote: Just like they don't recommend to hand wind an eta movement.
:shock:

i din noe this??

best not to handwind a ETA?

not even a 2824?

I remember roo bro saying abt this while we were at redhill market there..

jus a google;

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/want-mo ... 44696.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


*extract;

Hand winding an automatic will eventually damage the click wheel(s).

The rotor is geared down from the rotor to the mainspring, meaning many turns of the rotor are needed to turn the mainspring gear once around. Reverse the flow and what do you get...geared up of course...

When you handwind the watch, this gearing down is now geared up, and 1/4 of a turn on the crown, makes the click wheels spin like crazy. They are not designed to withstand this speed or friction, they are designed to work with the slow rotor turns. The click wheels are two parts, the bottom half is connected to the mainspring gear, and the top half connects to the Rotor. If you remove the rotor the damage issue is gone, since the complete click wheels turn while handwinding and the wheels are locked together, it's when the rotor is attached that the click wheel bottom half freewheels and the clutches are getting spun around and get damaged.

I see this type of damage all the time, if you handwind constantly, then eventually you will hear and feel the rotor spinning due to the click wheels failing...it's a well documented fact. Click wheels are anywhere from $30 and up...as long as they are available. This is why most Japanese automatics, do not have the capability for handwinding.

There is nothing wrong with s-l-o-w-l-y handwinding an automatic a few turns to get it started when you first put it on, anything beyond this, and your damaging the watch.

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Post by lunarin79 » 29 Dec 2011 02:21

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Post by sinner1974 » 29 Dec 2011 10:00

damn... didnt know that.... i always handwind my 2824-2....

thanks for sharing!

so when is the next kopi sessioon? :)
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Post by sellwatch » 29 Dec 2011 10:12

i always handwind my watches too leh. ETA, 6r15s, 4r, 6138s...

sian liao.. i thought the handwind function is there for a reason..
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Post by roo7 » 29 Dec 2011 10:38

To kick start yes. But maybe not to the max.


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Post by belkelbro » 30 Dec 2011 02:52

Btw sellwatch, where would be a good place to get the kevlar strap on your watch?
I found this site that has one with the similar look - http://www.globalwatchband.com/group/51/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Think it'll look good on my oyster =)
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Post by sellwatch » 30 Dec 2011 09:06

belkelbro wrote:Btw sellwatch, where would be a good place to get the kevlar strap on your watch?
I found this site that has one with the similar look - http://www.globalwatchband.com/group/51/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Think it'll look good on my oyster =)
Yeap correct. i bought the kelvar there. I organised a mass order back then to share the shipping cost. Your explorer is 18mm lugs or 20mm?
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Post by herzausstahl » 30 Dec 2011 09:41

Explorer is 20mm
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Post by belkelbro » 30 Dec 2011 09:48

Oh wow I dont know how long the lugs are hahah did a google search also cannot find ~_~
Bro u have any extra 20mm strap? Next time meet up I buy from u.
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Post by sellwatch » 30 Dec 2011 09:51

belkelbro wrote:Oh wow I dont know how long the lugs are hahah did a google search also cannot find ~_~
Bro u have any extra 20mm strap? Next time meet up I buy from u.
i dont have liao bro. But you can try asking Roo korkor. His is still unopened.
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Post by Evirobie » 30 Dec 2011 10:31

roo7 wrote:To kick start yes. But maybe not to the max.
Oh man,

I always handwind the 6159, 6r15, 2824, 8L35 and 5R66... now then I know... =(
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Post by roo7 » 30 Dec 2011 10:53

sellwatch wrote:
belkelbro wrote:Oh wow I dont know how long the lugs are hahah did a google search also cannot find ~_~
Bro u have any extra 20mm strap? Next time meet up I buy from u.
i dont have liao bro. But you can try asking Roo korkor. His is still unopened.
Open liao. Wore once.. but may want to exchange for a 22mm one :lol:
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Post by lunarin79 » 30 Dec 2011 12:36

Evirobie wrote:
I always handwind the 6159, 6r15, 2824, 8L35 and 5R66... now then I know... =(
does the handwind applies to Jap movt as well :shock: :shock:
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Post by oOsiMm » 30 Dec 2011 12:45

lunarin79 wrote:
Evirobie wrote:
I always handwind the 6159, 6r15, 2824, 8L35 and 5R66... now then I know... =(
does the handwind applies to Jap movt as well :shock: :shock:

I think the basis of the rule(or findings) applies to all automatic watches across ,be it Jap,Swiss,German,Russian etc..

since its automatic with rotor turns to generate power reserve,then probably its meant to work and keep time that way.

as roo says,the handwind part is to kick start the watch...

that's why its automatic watch with handwind "feature"..

so not avisable to handwind fast or till full...few rounds can riao to kickstart.....
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Post by herzausstahl » 30 Dec 2011 13:23

Agree man. That's why for no quick-set dates, better to slowly turn the minute hand.
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Post by Evirobie » 30 Dec 2011 13:42

herzausstahl wrote:Agree man. That's why for no quick-set dates, better to slowly turn the minute hand.
Erm, image your watch is on the 1st and need to change the day to 20 something... Turn until finger cramp...
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Post by oOsiMm » 30 Dec 2011 13:46

Evirobie wrote:
herzausstahl wrote:Agree man. That's why for no quick-set dates, better to slowly turn the minute hand.
Erm, image your watch is on the 1st and need to change the day to 20 something... Turn until finger cramp...
if the date gap like that,I wouldnt change the date riao ,leave it as it is...as long as it keeps and tell time...
since watch will be in rotation...

unless say the date gap isnt too much then will manual turn the crown to forward date...
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Post by MeePokMan » 30 Dec 2011 13:48

roo7 wrote:
sellwatch wrote:
i dont have liao bro. But you can try asking Roo korkor. His is still unopened.
Open liao. Wore once.. but may want to exchange for a 22mm one :lol:
mine (20mm) is still unopened.

if belkebro is keen...can sell u at cost $40 (with -60cts discount). :lol:
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