Seiko forum watch process of watch case & design

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Re: Seiko forum watch process of watch case & design

Post by Ed.YEO » 26 May 2012 19:52

Brudder. There's nothing wrong with ur experience. Infact something which we can learn from it.
But I would like to point out. That's the involvement of u in the dial design...soley. So definitely there will be no other arguments since u r the onli designer of the dial.
Here is a different story liaoz... Besides the dial, there's also the logo of the forum that represents the identity. As well as the design of the bezel that eventually blends well with the design of the dial and hands.

So... Options, is the only way to keep other members convinced to their choice that makes this perfect piece.
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Re: Seiko forum watch process of watch case & design

Post by lunarin79 » 26 May 2012 20:03

triton wrote:i am not sure if it is relevant for me to share my experience with another forum in doing something similar.

with another forum, what i did was to do the dial only, leave the rest to the buyers of the dial.

the more options you give users, the more complicated it is.

what i feel is most important is that the owner and the team to decide in order of importance.
  • dial design
    which movement
    which watch model
why dial first? because once the dial design is firm, isolate the model(s) that can be chosen. once there is a list of model(s), then the watch model can be decided.

once the dial, movement and watch model is identified, you let users decide if they want to buy dial + hands(if applicable) only or complete set.

this way, those who want other watch model can go source on their own. those who prefer complete set can buy the set.
give users 2 options. simple. now there is too many variables. some asking model, some asking movement, ......

think this process is easier.

my 2 cents worth.

no disrespect to forum owner, team doing the forum project watch.

if i offended anyone, please accept my sincere apologises.
Agreed with your points :)
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Re: Seiko forum watch process of watch case & design

Post by triton » 26 May 2012 20:58

you are right that i may be the one involved in dial design, however, there is still input from the rest. also for me, i decided on the watch model first. so then there was the issue is sell with watch or not. sell with watch, need papers and/or box (original or not). the combination becomes more and more. with more choices, it complicates things. some want this and some want that. so i decided just sell dial only. leave the decision to buy a watch with box and/or papers to buyers. so it means just dial only. simple. easier to work with.

maybe i need to rephrase. i know this forum community is close knit. as such, everyone like to contribute to it. that is good. however, bottom line is that someone/some people have to make the final decision.

also when the question asking whether buyer wants dial or complete watch, it will make things complicated. because for a particular movement, it may be housed in different models. so some may want model A, some want model B, then how? not possible just to do say 2 of model A, 3 of model B, then 10 dials only. this will increase cost of production. if there is only say dial + hands vs complete watch. it may lead to lower cost of production because of the more of one item is purchased, the more likely to get higher discount is there.

as for logo of the forum, i strongly agree with you that it represents the identity of the forum. this is exactly what i told one of the members whom i believe is involved in this project. everyone can contribute to the design, opinions can be sought after. but this logo chosen should be left to the discretion of the forum owner.

as for dial design such as dial color, wordings, markers, design, everyone can contribute as well.

the most important thing as mentioned previously is sort out what is more important first. concentrate on the dial design first. once dial design is firm. then chose movement. this is because it does not make sense(logical) to chose a movement with date and/or day when there is no date and/or day window. though i know is possible. the rest of the process will fall into place.

as what i see now, there are too many variables that affect members decision making. for i am interested in this forum watch. however, i place emphasis more in movement rather than say dial design and watch model. so i rather wait till dial design is finalised, watch model is decided, then i can decide if i want to get the dial and hands or complete watch. this may probably explain why the interest to purchase a forum watch is high but the commitment level is not matching the level of interest.

the good thing about seiko watches is that this movement can be housed in different models. so if i do not like monster design model watch, i can just order the dial and hands and get another model to swap dial and hands. it will make my decision easier.

as such, once the dial design is firm, the team can then choose the watch movement. once these 2 items is firm, it makes decision making easier for buyers. dial + hands or complete watch.

my suggestion is break the entire process into smaller manageable parts. solve each part first. then group all the small parts. it is similar to programming. i am sure most programmers will know this.

i agree that if members can participate in decision making process, they will be more convinced to buy the watch. make it easier for the members to participate. do not get the wrong impression that i am putting forward that the team and forum owner decide, the members are equally important to contribute. im trying to suggest, break the parts into smaller manageable parts,

for example for dial design,

for dial

choice of color of dial - black/blue/red/purple
choice of markers
choice of date and/or day and/or no date/day
......

for movement

7s26
6R15
......

for model

sumo
monster
diver
.....

hope everyone gets a clearer picture.......

sorry me old man liao. very long winded.
Ed.YEO wrote:Brudder. There's nothing wrong with ur experience. Infact something which we can learn from it.
But I would like to point out. That's the involvement of u in the dial design...soley. So definitely there will be no other arguments since u r the onli designer of the dial.
Here is a different story liaoz... Besides the dial, there's also the logo of the forum that represents the identity. As well as the design of the bezel that eventually blends well with the design of the dial and hands.

So... Options, is the only way to keep other members convinced to their choice that makes this perfect piece.
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Re: Seiko forum watch process of watch case & design

Post by Ed.YEO » 26 May 2012 21:25

No bro. U r just giving a detail picture of what should be done, or doing while we're still in the process of finalizing the design.
If u look @ my previous posts, u will find that I'm more lohsoh than u...some time I dun even know what m I blabbering abt...
Now on phone, cannot type much...I hope when I get back can give u more on my thoughts.
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Post by Astro2212 » 26 May 2012 21:50

Ed.YEO wrote:I mean those words... You support me. I support u. All support together, all happy... Sounds weird ley... If we say this in a toilet... What kind of picture will that be? Hmmmm....
Bro 2day also a veri big day mah...
idiots stayin ard me disappointed me last yr so now i PENG 2 HOUGANG liaozzz!!!
dats y we must support our Watch Project!!!
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Post by Ed.YEO » 26 May 2012 22:15

Astro2212 wrote:...dats y we must support our Watch Project!!!
Whoa...! U capitalize on the W & P... hopefully non of our brudders here wears all white to work in their workdays hor.... Otherwise if u kanna CSI'ed... :lol: :lol:
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Post by Astro2212 » 26 May 2012 22:42

Ed.YEO wrote:
Astro2212 wrote:...dats y we must support our Watch Project!!!
Whoa...! U capitalize on the W & P... hopefully non of our brudders here wears all white to work in their workdays hor.... Otherwise if u kanna CSI'ed... :lol: :lol:
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Post by Ed.YEO » 26 May 2012 22:53

Ok... now i'm back, with laptop keyboard more easy to type...
I won't be bashing on your reply... but just to point out where are we now...
you are right that i may be the one involved in dial design, however, there is still input from the rest. also for me, i decided on the watch model first. so then there was the issue is sell with watch or not. sell with watch, need papers and/or box (original or not). the combination becomes more and more. with more choices, it complicates things. some want this and some want that. so i decided just sell dial only. leave the decision to buy a watch with box and/or papers to buyers. so it means just dial only. simple. easier to work with.

maybe i need to rephrase. i know this forum community is close knit. as such, everyone like to contribute to it. that is good. however, bottom line is that someone/some people have to make the final decision.
from the previous posts, you might hv oredi seen that the base watch had been decided. hence, there will be no arguments on whether is there any other options liao... there're also options given to those who either wants to purchase the whole set, or just partial components, such as dial or dial+hands. so... in a certain way, it seems that the current options now is familiar to u where u had been before.
also when the question asking whether buyer wants dial or complete watch, it will make things complicated. because for a particular movement, it may be housed in different models. so some may want model A, some want model B, then how? not possible just to do say 2 of model A, 3 of model B, then 10 dials only. this will increase cost of production. if there is only say dial + hands vs complete watch. it may lead to lower cost of production because of the more of one item is purchased, the more likely to get higher discount is there.


i think... maybe fellow project members show put this into concern... EMPHASIZE TO ALL WHO BUYS THE PARTS SUCH AS DIALS OR HANDS ONLY! THESE ARE STRICTLY FOR 7Sxx MOVEMENTS! just to avoid any possible mis-understandings or conflicts that may happen in later days.
as for logo of the forum, i strongly agree with you that it represents the identity of the forum. this is exactly what i told one of the members whom i believe is involved in this project. everyone can contribute to the design, opinions can be sought after. but this logo chosen should be left to the discretion of the forum owner.

as for dial design such as dial color, wordings, markers, design, everyone can contribute as well.
yeah!!!! love u deep deep! u hv the same thoughts as me... need more designs on the logo for us to poll on!
the most important thing as mentioned previously is sort out what is more important first. concentrate on the dial design first. once dial design is firm. then chose movement. this is because it does not make sense(logical) to chose a movement with date and/or day when there is no date and/or day window. though i know is possible. the rest of the process will fall into place.

as what i see now, there are too many variables that affect members decision making. for i am interested in this forum watch. however, i place emphasis more in movement rather than say dial design and watch model. so i rather wait till dial design is finalised, watch model is decided, then i can decide if i want to get the dial and hands or complete watch. this may probably explain why the interest to purchase a forum watch is high but the commitment level is not matching the level of interest.
its not easy to decide which part comes first... if dial comes 1st, how about the case? if case come 1st, how about the dial? then how come the hands are forgotten? ...all these, really needs to be executed step by step, stage by stage... imo, the case design(which includes the bezel) which is the most prominent cosmetically item that can be seen from far... should comes first. but that's just me...
dis is also the reason why, i'm still holding back on my betting chips...
the good thing about seiko watches is that this movement can be housed in different models. so if i do not like monster design model watch, i can just order the dial and hands and get another model to swap dial and hands. it will make my decision easier.
yep yep... that's why we see more SEIKO movements in other micro-brands that Originates from Europe to U.S!
as such, once the dial design is firm, the team can then choose the watch movement. once these 2 items is firm, it makes decision making easier for buyers. dial + hands or complete watch.

my suggestion is break the entire process into smaller manageable parts. solve each part first. then group all the small parts. it is similar to programming. i am sure most programmers will know this.

i agree that if members can participate in decision making process, they will be more convinced to buy the watch. make it easier for the members to participate. do not get the wrong impression that i am putting forward that the team and forum owner decide, the members are equally important to contribute. im trying to suggest, break the parts into smaller manageable parts,
hmm... on this, i had mentioned a few times. but let me give fellow brudders here in another way of interpretation... i don't think u guyz wants to end up being "regarded" as "old dicks... or old birds" of this forum by other last 300 members(including lurkers) for no democracy in participation right? i personally okay with this project... and i hope i can play a part in it... but not just me wor... brudders, lets come out with some choices for all to cast their votes! Hougang WP'ed liaoz lah!!!
for example for dial design,

for dial

choice of color of dial - black/blue/red/purple
choice of markers
choice of date and/or day and/or no date/day
......

for movement

7s26
6R15
......

for model

sumo
monster
diver
.....

hope everyone gets a clearer picture.......
On the dial color... still early to decide as the design and color choice on the logo is yet to be finalize.
On movement... oredi decided... 7Sxx(6rXX too ex liaoz lah... most likely will hit the $500 mark), but still need further confirmation whether to go with just date wheel or both day+date...
On model... too bad... we're late... SKX00x had been decided.... so now let's see how the bezel goes...
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Post by oOsiMm » 26 May 2012 22:57

Ed bro, you have many valid points too... seems beneficial to the team. IMO you be a nice addition to the team (me shameleslly suggest)... probably you can be part of helping hand to the committee ?


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Post by Ed.YEO » 26 May 2012 23:09

oOsiMm wrote:Ed bro, you have many valid points too... seems beneficial to the team. IMO you be a nice addition to the team (me shameleslly suggest)... probably you can be part of helping hand to the committee ?

Good Luck =D
Aiyo Ah Hiah...
1st thing 1st... my england no good. So when it come to communication, i will easily commit mis-understandings. U talked with me.. long long b4... you know huan lah.
2nd thing 2nd... i hold chopstick better than i hold designer's pencil. When it come to design, i can only suggest on fine tune with the end design, cannot come out with anything draft.
3rd thing 3rd... what i can do... is only give 3rd party suggestion as an observer as well as forum member. It's just like we're in a basket ball court, some players will want to just dribble(?) the ball to delay time, some want to strike more points. So i play as those "neutral" players who go along with the game, but also dun want 1 player to out shine another of the same team. In another words, i'm just voicing out some concerns. And i certainly wouldn't want to see those commitee members kenna regarded as "old dicks" behind their backs.
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Post by oOsiMm » 26 May 2012 23:26

no lah Ed bro, I dont find you having any issue with communcations in English at all,its perfectly clear.And not to mention that your level of mandarin is certainly better than mine. Least when I read your feedback/threads in SCS,I can grasp what you are trying to say.

anyway if I can help in some tasks,I dont mind.. ;)
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Post by roo7 » 27 May 2012 00:28

Well guys, like I said a few times already... give the team some time.... it's not easy accommodating to all of us..

They are cooking something.. while it's still brewing, let's not try to taste the soup till it's done. ;)
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Post by Ed.YEO » 27 May 2012 00:37

roo7 wrote:...They are cooking something.. while it's still brewing, let's not try to taste the soup till it's done. ;)
Hopefully the term you use, meaning in the stage of designing and tuning... not finalizing...
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Post by triton » 27 May 2012 06:56

i like your sense of humour.
Ed.YEO wrote:
oOsiMm wrote:Ed bro, you have many valid points too... seems beneficial to the team. IMO you be a nice addition to the team (me shameleslly suggest)... probably you can be part of helping hand to the committee ?

Good Luck =D
Aiyo Ah Hiah...
1st thing 1st... my england no good. So when it come to communication, i will easily commit mis-understandings. U talked with me.. long long b4... you know huan lah.
2nd thing 2nd... i hold chopstick better than i hold designer's pencil. When it come to design, i can only suggest on fine tune with the end design, cannot come out with anything draft.
3rd thing 3rd... what i can do... is only give 3rd party suggestion as an observer as well as forum member. It's just like we're in a basket ball court, some players will want to just dribble(?) the ball to delay time, some want to strike more points. So i play as those "neutral" players who go along with the game, but also dun want 1 player to out shine another of the same team. In another words, i'm just voicing out some concerns. And i certainly wouldn't want to see those commitee members kenna regarded as "old dicks" behind their backs.
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Re: Seiko forum watch process of watch case & design

Post by stepper78 » 27 May 2012 08:57

devil00 wrote:As a whole watch
1)devil00
2)Zhwong
3)pst666
4)Ivan
5)okies
6) Feilong108
7) yowech
8) Zeikphur
9) sawung
10) Kiatkiat
11) Cosmgraph
12) telepgm


Dial ONLY & hands
1) Astro2212
2) Cosmograph
3) lunarin79
4) HerzAusStahl
5) LB1981
6) Stepper78

Bump the list
Maybe should move this list to a new thread to create more awareness.

I surf this forum everyday, but took me 3 days to notice this.. :oops:
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Post by roo7 » 27 May 2012 10:54

Ed.YEO wrote:
roo7 wrote:...They are cooking something.. while it's still brewing, let's not try to taste the soup till it's done. ;)
Hopefully the term you use, meaning in the stage of designing and tuning... not finalizing...
Again, I'm leaving it to the team. I believe they can't just finalised without seeking any opinion or feedback. If they just throw out 1 choice, they still need orders, else if nobody likes the design, it's back to square one.

I think all of us has given enough feedback and advise, likewise for me, I was giving them some pointers which I think they should consider to make this whole project a success.

I believe the project team has way too many factors to consider and people to please, so I suggest let's not give any more inputs on how they run the project, applies to me as well.

Moving forward, the only inputs and feedback that we should give is just purely on the design, like choice of colors, text, hands whatever that derive the final design.

How they get there, we will leave it to them, else they will get distracted and lose focus.

I am going to lock this thread now, as it seems to become a general discussion thread rather than a feedback thread.
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